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Гравитон-7VSVP

14.12.2015

10/10

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Perfect for what I wanted it for - an outside movie screen. Nothing like having a drive in experience in your own backyard!
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Спектр-2UNJZ

18.12.2015

6/10

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Bulb pins were too thick and had to cut them to fit. Strange burning smell but picture quality is fine
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Астероид-8IBFZ

14.07.2015

8/10

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I couldn't see myself spending 600+ on a projector. But I bad bought this for my dad this past father's day to upgrade his older one from 2003. The image quality is pretty good, but don't expect 1080p from this. Don't expect crystal clear pictures because you'll be disappointed. Regardless the quality is good. The picture is very bright even in lit up rooms.

One thing I didn't like is that you can see the individual pixels when up close to the screen. We used a large pull down projector screen.

If your wanting theatre like picture and resolution spend a couple hundred more on one that produces a 1080p signal
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Плазмонавт-5RYFO

07.08.2015

10/10

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SO MUCH FUN to watch movies outdoors! We have loved this projector! Don't be afraid that it is more affordable than the others - this one gets the job done very well. We have no complaints. We have probably used it twenty times in the past 3 months.

Lightweight (easy to port from place to place)
Bright projection (we can start the movie before the sun goes down if we have youngsters with us)
Easy to use (No need to read the manual, just plug and play)

We plan on hosting outdoor football watching parties this fall.
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Нейрон-3UNHS

15.07.2015

10/10

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This exceeded all of my expectations. Bright enough to be used in the living room with the curtains open if needed. Give it a dark room with a nice high def input and it's amazing. The inbuilt speaker is very basic but this deserves bring hooked up to a soundsystem to complement the image. I'm still amazed at being able to hook up my laptop and cover the entire wall (never got a screen).
It's small and light enough that I can pop it in a bag and take it over to a friend's house to watch a match or play games.
Only problem is that when image is this big you need a very high quality input or you really notice it.
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Альфа-Юнит-9UOAY

14.07.2015

10/10

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This projector rocks! It is super bright, very quiet, and the colors and detail are very nice. We are having such a great time using it to stream movies using our Fire Stick, and have also used it with our portable DVD player, and have even hooked it up to our cable box (HDMI -HDMI port) to watch on-demand movies through cable. We have the sound going out to an amplifier and speakers for bigger sound. My husband was super impressed by this projector (despite being a skeptic initially about the whole movie night experience) and now he asks for movie nights and popcorn. What a great bonding time for our whole family.
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Кронос-5GTIS

19.10.2015

6/10

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My projector arrived with issues with the sound output. It was covered under warranty, but I still had to pay for shipping to send it back to them, even though the problem was with their product. Still, the repair was handled quickly and efficiently, and now the projector works great.
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Гравитон-2TEII

26.05.2015

10/10

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I bought this projector from B&H. I am posting here because lot's of people bought this projector from Amazon. I've had no problems/concerns with this projector. It is by far my favorite projector I have ever owned in my life. I use a 150 in screen and it is beautiful picture especially in HD. The farther the projector the more of the screen door effect (size of pixels at a given distance) so having your audience a few feet back is recommended. From about 10 feet back, you can't see one pixel. People have told me that that projector looks like it is a one right out of a movie theater. No one in my family/friends have complained/said anything besides how good the picture is. I highly recommend this projector especially if your are on a low budget plan for a projector.
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Капеллан-0QJJA

11.09.2015

10/10

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I have had this projector for over a year now and it has been wonderful. I cant seem, however, to hook it up with my xbox through HDMI, but I just use the RCA cable and its fine. Excellent alternative for a large screen TV if you are short on funds or space. Its not the best for brightly lit rooms and external speakers are a must, but any good entertainment center has low light and surround sound.
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Нейрон-4CTVG

03.07.2015

10/10

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I bought this to watch movies outside this summer.. My son got it set up in no time.. The remote is very helpful, We set it up in our garage during the day with just a white blanket for a screen.. It was fantastic. pic was clear and we hooked up a speaker he had from an ipod to make the sound louder. It does come with its own sound but an external speaker is better ... We haven't used it at night but during the day with light it worked fantastic. Cant wait to watch it outside at night with our new screen.. For the money it is def. worth it.. I did read reviews for this projector and that really influenced my opinion. Buy it!!!
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Синтрон-2EKNT

04.08.2015

10/10

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I bought this for outdoor movie night and it worked great! I used on old receiver, speakers, and dvd player with it and the connections were simple, I just needed 2 sets of the red, yellow, and white cords. I set up the projector about 20 feet away from the side of our morton building and the picture took up the entire side. I was not expecting to be able to project the picture that big and still have it clear. I was very impressed! It felt like we were at our own private drive in move since the picture was so large.
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Сириус-2KNMK

19.04.2015

10/10

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It has been about a year since I purchased this, and the original bulb is still going strong after over 10,000 hours of use. It has not dimmed one bit and still performs like new, which is thoroughly impressive to me. I use it as my main entertainment device, displaying on the wall of my bedroom (I have a screen for it, but in my new apartment the walls work just as well and the screen is now unnecessary in my opinion). Either way, it puts out a bright, clear picture and the HDMI inputs allow you to use it as a computer monitor, a movie theater, or a huge, immersive screen for gaming. I love it, and I feel like I have gotten far more than my moneys worth out of it already. It is cheaper than a 100" TV but produces the same size picture given the space. I plug my Logitech 5.1 surround speakers into it and am transported to a theater without leaving my home. Incredible value.
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Фотон-1ABIV

19.07.2015

10/10

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We bought this for movie nights on our yearly beach vacations and for movie nights at camp. It was more expensive than I initially wanted to spend but after reading reviews of the cheaper ones and some more expensive ones we decided to get his one. The screen we ordered was too big to take on a long trip so at the beach we just used a sheet. Even with just a white sheet as a screen the picture was beautiful. We pulled the projector far enough back that the viewing area was as wide as a king size sheet. The picture was crisp. The colors were vivid. It worked perfectly!
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Сириус-9EFIF

05.09.2015

10/10

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I'm just now writing a review on this purchase, lol. This was my first projector I had bought, and I did extensive research on finding the biggest bang for the buck, and the view sonic 5134 was it. It had an ideal picture and supported hmdi... I recommend this projector to anyone. I have since moved on to bigger and better projectors like benq's w770st. But you can't beat the price in the view sonic.
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Вояджер-6OIMW

20.06.2015

10/10

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I want to give a full review of this product but I don't have 3D devices to test out the 3D capabilities. So far as HDMI and regular video inputs go, this works great. The image is very bright and crisp so long as your "screen" is sharp and flat. You can easily view the picture with lights on in the room but looks much better with lights off. I used this daily for about 1 year and had no issues. Picture looked great at 90 inches. I'm sure it would look just as good at 120 inches but the room it was used in wasn't big enough to get the picture that size. Great functionality. Many choices for viewing angles and zooming in. I highly recommend this product.
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Фотон-8APDB

25.11.2015

8/10

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The replacement bulb worked fine ... I just have another problem with the projector not related to the bulb.
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Эксопилот-0OVDV

29.10.2015

8/10

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We got this to complete our outdoor movie equipment. We enjoyed it and the quality was good. Don't forget to purchase surround sound, movie screen and use a great quality movie on a laptop.
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Вектрон-6EIIV

29.05.2014

10/10

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i was browsing around amazon for new gadgets like i always do and this projector was the #1 seller at the time. i was always curious about projectors and if i really needed one. the price was a big factor on buying a projector as they seem to be pretty expensive. i was content with my 32' vizio lcd tv, which i've had for about 1.5 yrs. this was a huge upgrade! i went from 32' to 75'!! and that's just in my small room. if i used this in my living room, it would be well over 100'. the picture is surprising sharp even though the resolution is only 800x600. it does it warm pretty quick but not to the point where i need to shut it off for a while. there's a temperature indicator light when it does get too hot, which is a plus. i've noticed that almost every time i turn it on, i need to manually focus the picture just a bit. not a big deal but it can be annoying.

there is a built-in speaker but don't bother. i just hooked up my old pc speakers w/ a subwoofer and it works great! i use the sleep timer often but i wish it would reset after it turns off because the next time i turn it on, the timer will still be in effect and i have to reset it manually. another minor annoyance.

according to my calculations, the lamp should last me a little over two years. i heard that a new lamp is around $200 and if it stays at that price, i might just buy a newer projector in two years, who knows!

i have my cable box, ps4, chromebox, and media player hooked up to it and they all work just fine. it's really something playing video games or browsing the internet at this scale! i don't know if i could ever go back to a smaller screen.

overall i'm really impressed by the price, picture quality, easy of use, and the quietness. i would definitely consider buying another projector from viewsonic!

p.s. the noise level is virtually silent! which is a huge plus. i do not want to hear a loud fan when i'm watching something :)
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ТехноНаблюдатель-2HWXV

28.06.2014

8/10

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Overall, this is a nice projector. The display is very clear and the controls are reasonably easy to use. My only concerns are that it really does not come with everything you'll likely need to get started. I had to buy several extra cords to use it (HDMI converter and USB to mini-USB). Computers, or whatever input you're using, all have different configurations and outputs and this machine can accept most of those but you may need more cords to do that. Instructions are on a disk in the box and you'll probably need those to set up specifically for your input device.

Also, the remote seems like it should be easier to use. There are a lot of buttons that would seem to be useful but many do not work with certain set ups. With a laptop, be sure to press the "mouse" button first, otherwise the page up/down don't work (if you're doing a simple powerpoint presentation). Also, the audio has to go through the projector as well (your computer speakers will not work when this is connected--more cords to buy).

I do really like the display on my laptop when this is connected. Unlike the usual powerpoint slideshow view, it shows a timer, current slide, next slide, and other useful info. It took me a moment to get used to this but I really liked the ability to see the next slide. Very nice presentation format.

Despite the set up concerns, this is a good, inexpensive projector. Just read through the instructions and make sure you're setting it up correctly for your input device. Once you know how to use it and have the right connectors, it should be a breeze after that. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it again but do make sure you have time to test it out to ensure the set up is correct and you have all the necessary cords (it took several tries with me and I'm reasonably tech savvy).
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Пульсар-1WZXK

03.11.2015

6/10

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Bought two. They are working great......Just wished they had HDMI. Bought a HDMI to VGA adapter to get better quality from bluray and xbox 360.
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ХроноГость-0TLFI

20.09.2015

10/10

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Love it, worked great I looked and was so confused about which projector to buy but this one did everything I needed it to do. Twilight or evening light on screen was not great but in darkness this thing is just as good as my TV.
Would recommend to anyone looking for a starter projector.
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Сириус-4PYKW

25.06.2014

10/10

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I was looking for a projector that would solely be used outside. I have a five month old granddaughter now and I had visions of us camping out or swimming in the pool while watching movies. Might have jumped the gun a bit, but already so glad I did! This was the perfect finishing touch to the backyard makeover.

I used the reviews to decide which projector to buy because lumens and ratios mean absolutely nothing to me. I just wanted something that would work for family movie and sports events nights. So if you are looking for something for outside, yes, this works great and is far more inexpensive than most I looked at.

At Dusk: Before the sun goes down you can see it, but I don't think it would be too enjoyable of an experience. (Kids probably wouldn't mind though).

At Dark: I tried animated and live action feature films and both looked amazing. Absolutely reminded me of a drive in movie experience. I don't know my diagonals but the screen was 12 feet across (which I believe is a 144, but don't quote me). I had to move the projector around a bit to get exactly the set up I wanted but that took no more than a few minutes.

As far as the other stuff, the other reviews are correct. Quiet fan, light and portable, lworthless speakers. I bought external speakers off of another review and it is perfect.

The only thing I consider a negative, is I wish it had more HDMI ports for easier set up because ipad, speakers, chromecast all use HDMI. Doing research to see if there is some sort of a way to add more with something external?

Finally, I think it is clear that I am not technology savy. I set up to my iPad and DVD/Blu Ray player by myself with no problems. Just remember to power on projector before connecting video source.

I highly recommend.
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Сириус-3YHUL

07.09.2015

6/10

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The projector is awesome, but there is one huge problem that I don't know how to fix. As you can see from the photo I posted there appears to be hair or Lint in the optic, I have no idea how to take apart the optic or fix the issue. Compressed air hasn't done the job and no repair guy knows what to do.
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Интеллектор-8ZSWK

20.06.2015

8/10

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The projector is easy to use, set up, fairly quiet and has a strong light.

The one thing prevents me from giving 5 stars is that it's resolution is really low. 800x600 pixels is okay for movies but for demonstrations it's not quite sufficient. The specifications, unfortunately, kind of hiding this by only mentioning SVGA, instead of the actual picture resolution.

Because of the low resolution if the picture is projected to a large screen then you can see each individual pixels. Which is not a huge issue but it makes it not so natural to look.
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Эксопилот-5PGYO

21.05.2015

10/10

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Love this projector. the picture is great. I wanted to setup a backyard movie theater. I created a screen that is 8ft wide with couple of 2x4s from home depot and 3 yards of Blackout drapery. the picture looked amazing. Please don't use bed sheets as screen. me being a cheapo, I tried that . You need a screen that reflects back all the light to get full colors and sharpness of the picture. The light will pass through the bed sheet and you will lose the picture quality. I kept the projector 10-12 feet away to cover the full 8ft wide screen. The picture still looked sharp and colors were great. overall I am very happy with this projector. Highly recommended.
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Вояджер-6VLQV

23.08.2015

10/10

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Awesome quality! We bought ours specifically for outdoor use, but will use indoor too. We also bought the 'Visual Apex ProjectoScreen144HD Portable Movie Theater Projector Screen' and they are great together. The sound is a little weak, so we hooked up a sound bar with a subwoofer (Visio) and it's a party in our yard! Highly recommend!
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ОмниКод-8JDFQ

24.06.2015

10/10

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Did a huge amount of research in this price point. Have had 5+ projectors over the last 10-15 years and this is a good one. The pixels however are visible and I am very upset about that. Low quality images for sure but once you're watching, you forget about it. I will say this projector is very bright and I like the remote, small and compact with soft rubber buttons. Works well near or far, key works well on an angle too. 3d works well with my ps4. Throw is great, fan is quiet... all in all I am happy with this at the price point.
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Вектрон-4DSHU

04.09.2015

10/10

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I bought 2 of these projectors which We use with a 3d blue ray player and the 2 speaker&woofer from Bose and the quality of movies ,netlflix,hulu plus/showtime& amazon prime tv,movies is unbelieveable, i highly ,highly recommend this projector. Try this one before u buy an xpensive one
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Квантум-7YCHP

18.05.2015

10/10

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Great projector for the price! Plenty bright for cloudy-day viewing (with thin window coverings, but not closed curtains or anything) at about 15 feet from the screen. Easy plug and play set-up. Picture quality is just fine for us, too. When you get close to the screen, you get the screen door effect a bit, but it's not nearly pronounced enough to bug us.

We have used attached to my computer and a PS3, all via an HDMI cord, and it's been easy. We've streamed netflix, amazon prime, and played video games (GTA V only, so far) all with no problems. Have yet to try 3D, as we only have passive glasses, but we're definitely planning to do so soon.
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НоваГость-1ZQCV

22.05.2015

10/10

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This projector has surpassed my exceptions. I'm using it for outdoor movie nights and I love that it is light and easy to setup. It is also bright enough that I can set up when there is still some light out and get everything adjusted as far as screen size. The sound is not that great but that's to be expected there's an audio out similar to whats on your computer I'm using that and 2 channel stereo and it works fine. I may end up getting a blu ray player with it own audio outputs and going down that route. But for what I paid I got more than I thought I'd get. Had some comments from neighbors that thought I paid 1000s of bucks on it.
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Гиперион-9LWAG

02.08.2015

10/10

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I use it mainly for movie protection and it works great. Haven't tried the 3d feature, but the regular protection is very good quality. It has a friendly easy operating software and I like that it turns off after being idle for a long while. That is very good if you, as i, fall as sleep while watching movies on the projector. Definitely would recommend to a friend. Actually, I already have.
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ТерраБот-3RSHT

23.07.2014

10/10

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Just got mine yesterday in the mail and all I can say is WOW. This thing is legit and definitely a bang for your buck. I actually got mine for $250.00 from here because I bought it refurbished so shop around on here. At 14 feet away, my screen is about 144 inches and playing PS3 games like WatchDogs and Call of Duty is mind blowing. Watching movies on NetFlix is great. I watched my favorite movie "The Wood" with Omar Epps and I felt like I was in a movie theater looking at that huge screen. I had so much fun with this thing that I called off work from my second job, stayed up until about 2 am swithching between movies and playing games, then had to go to work three hours later so I got absolutely no sleep. But I don't care life is short and this is one thing that I am glad I was able to afford and experience. I am done using TV's. Next purchase? Screen Innovations Black Diamond Screen.
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It has been over a year sense I made this purchase in June/July 2014. My projector is still going strong. I think I have only used about 1800 hours of lamp time as I do not use it every single day. It is still great and still a bang for your buck. I will admit that the text is a bit shabby and not very clear. Sometimes I rub my eyes to make sure it is not me but the projector that appears blurry. You literally have to get it right on the mark to have the text appear clear while trying to adjust the zoom in/out feature. Other than that, I really like this thing. It does sometime act as a heater as it blows hot air from trying to cool itself but I think that is with all projectors. Still love this thing and still have not had another tv since.
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Плазмонавт-4JZOB

10.06.2015

10/10

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Brighter than I imagined it would be. Met my needs extremely well.

I use this outside and project onto a 100 inch screen. You can see it clearly around sunset if you're watching something pretty bright. After dark the picture really looks great though!

It does have a speaker. I wouldn't use it though. Buy some basic 2.1 computer speakers. I bought a set for $30 off Amazon. Worthy investment.

Set up is super simple. We have a little table we leave it and the speakers on and just store it in the closet for easy access.
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Квантум-0XUNX

03.05.2015

10/10

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Great little unit! I use it in my bedroom with a Roku stick to view Netflix and Amazon Prime streaming, worms great. I've also used it with an HDMI cable and laptop input, also worked great. For sound I'm using a Beats Pill. I use this during the day and it's definitely watchable. I notice the low resolution for 5 minutes and then it doesn't bother me at all. Cons - I wish the little foot on the front to raise/lower was actually 2 feet that could be adjusted on either side. Also if I'm being honest, if I saw a great deal on another unit with higher resolution, I'd go for it and sell this one. But, this is a nice price for solid unit if you have the right expectations.
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Спектроник-5QDYK

19.04.2015

8/10

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So to start, I have never owned a projector and I was not looking to buy a $1000 projector. I wanted something I could hook up to watch sporting events and the occasional movie. I attempted to read as many reviews of this product as I could. I understood I was buying a $300 projector and I shouldn't expect too much.

So by saying this, I am very happy with this product. I have had it for 3 days and have watched one hockey game and 2 movies. No its not the brightest picture or 1080p, but it definitely surpassed what I had in mind. It was definitely worth the money for me. I only gave it 4 stars because of the way it is connected to the ceiling mount. But all in all I'm very satisfied with this purchase.
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ИнфраГость-9NNOE

16.02.2015

10/10

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I have been using this as a TV for more then a year now. It is about ten feet from the wall, and it makes a very bright screen, even with the lights on (although best in a dark room, of course.) The projector has been knocked over to the floor by the cats a few times (they like to sit on it) but is still hanging in there. Haven't had to replace bulb yet.

I will say that if you are a perfectionist, you will need to spend more money. Yes, there is a "screen door" effect, but it's not really noticeable from a few feet away. True, the picture is dimmer and slightly fuzzier then on a normal flat-screen TV. When I go to a friends house, I do note that the picture is slightly sharper and brighter. But, the thing about human eyes is that they adjust-- after a minute or so, you won't notice and won't care about these minor imperfections while still enjoying a very large screen to view your TV shows and movies on.
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Вектрон-3JDTP

29.04.2015

8/10

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As soon as I opened the package, I assembled the projector and connected it to the laptop and power source. The power cord was loose at the point of contact on the projector...the plug kept falling off and the projector shut down immediately 3-4 times. I called AMAZON and asked to replace just the cord and I was told to return everything for an exchange. With constant trainings going on at our agency, I could not afford the down time and thought it absurd to waste time and postage for a simple cord. I switched out the old cord from old projector and now the projector gets much use. The images are bright and sharp on the screen. The unit is quiet as it projects the images.
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Астрономад-5KIRF

08.10.2015

10/10

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My wife and I use this projector for a home theatre. Works great and we hven't had any problems with in for a year now.
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НоваГость-5QNHQ

04.09.2015

10/10

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Great picture for movies/films! Sure it isn't HD, but viewing from a distance over 4 feet it's hard to really tell anyway. The color, contrast, and brightness are all outstanding on this device. Well worth the money.
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Дроид-9IZNP

06.06.2015

10/10

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I did a ton of research before deciding on this particular projector and have been extremely happy. Be aware the speakers in the projector itself are terrible but it can easily be hooked up to external speakers. We've watched several shows/movies inside projecting on a blank wall in the living room. Even at dusk when there's still decent light outside, this thing projects a bright enough image to watch. Our primary reason for purchasing this projector, however, was for an outdoor movies. It works really well for us.
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Квантум-6IUFD

21.06.2015

8/10

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So far, so good with this projector. It hooks up fairly easily and without the fussiness of previous projectors we've used. The projection quality is decent. It's a bit noisy, but not overly so. Overall, this does the job for the money and we are happy with it. My only suggestion would be that the company provide a bag with the projector. It's just one of those small things that would have made our lives easier, and would be beneficial for storing the projector.
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Вектрон-4LFBR

25.06.2015

6/10

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Is a great model for the lower price, But I lost my lamp within 13 months at 1800 hours usage, Not met the specified 6000-10000 hours, Which is disappointing.3D feature worked fine, I purchased Sainsonic 3D glasses which worked like a charm.Overall performance was fine in the working time. I heard a big noise while watching a movie, Found the lamp broken within 13 months of purchase, which disappointed me, Otherwise I'll be giving 5 stars rating.
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Странник-4YHHY

07.04.2015

10/10

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Великолепно

Oh my goodness! Wow! This projector is awesome for the price I paid for it. Easy to use and setup. Instead of watching movies or shows on our TV we have been using it to project on a white wall in my living room. It is like having your own home theater at home. I can't wait to start using it outside over the summer. My kids and husband love it too. I also used it to project a birthday video I made for my Aunt's 90th birthday off my IPAD and it worked great! All you need for this projector is speakers. I used some computer speakers I had that are 11 years old and the sound was AMAZING! Who new old speakers would sound so great! Highly recommend this projector for both Home, Play or Office environments.
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Странник-0ZXFK

03.06.2015

10/10

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Amazing projector for the price! Plays everything I've ever wanted to play and absolutely no trouble setting it up. Was projecting crisp, bright, huge images on my wall within 15 minutes of opening the box. Can watch it with lights on and still see the picture well.

The built-in speakers are worthless, but that should not be an issue since most everyone these days have bluetooth/WiFi speakers. I just hooked up one of my bluetooth speakers to the projector with an aux cable and now have incredible sound.
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Лунатик-9CCUT

30.09.2015

10/10

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My wife use it in the chuch meeting and in the baby boomers society. It is simply and with a good quality.
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ХроноГость-4YMIP

24.08.2015

2/10

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This thing has already been repaired twice and I have owned this less than a year. I am afraid to use it again because my warranty is running out and if it goes out this was basically a paper weight.

Not coll guys...
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Сатурниан-8PZSD

31.08.2015

10/10

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Had this now for nearly a year and its still going strong and it does look like HD. We even hookup out amazon firestick and chromecast to it when the cable box isnt on it. It always looks great.
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Лунатик-4QZOV

26.06.2015

10/10

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One of the best decisions iv made. Haven't had it for that long, but works great and I can even see the screen during the day with the windows and lights on! Grant you, the screen is a lot better/brighter at night. Wont ever buy a TV for the living room again-I plan on keeping this projector around for a long time. Better than expected, and it was shipped very securely. Tip: Point it directly at the wall, not at an angle
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