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как связана моя замена использованного 2.2 мусора я получил на прошлой неделе. Совершенно другой опыт в этот раз. Был оборудован ОРТ синий 10 и никаких царапин на устройство в любом месте. Кабели являются идеальным и минимальным шумом (albiet настоящее время) передачи. Огромная разница в положительные, и я рад, я заказал замену. Я очень доволен своей покупкой и я с нетерпением жду годы удовольствия....<бр /><бр />заказали новый продукт и получил использовать или открыть пункт коробка с несколько поверхностных царапин. Я пытался не обращать внимание на повреждения, но после подключения был ужасный гул от этого блока. Также появится встроенный кабели RCA имеют короткое замыкание в одном из каналов.. я очень разочарован, мягко говоря. Я надеюсь, что это было абсолютно случайно, как я уже заказал замену в надежде на лучшие результаты<.бр /><бр />+2 Звезды за то, что сумел вернуть его без проблем... Спасибо Амазонке.
на тонарм картридж собирает очень хорошо, и песни на удивление хорошо, жаль, что шум мотора я вернулся ТТ тот же день, когда он прибыл.<БР />---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<БР />к сожалению, я вернулся первым и дозаказать еще один ТТ той же модели, думая, что это был просто неисправный блок, и новый прибыл и думаю, что.....та же проблема... шум мотора и новая проблема...тонарм не будет баланса в нужное взвешивание, оказалось, что боковые подшипники на этой руке были плохие (жесткие).
этот один должен быть возвращен, а не порядок.
и продавец был очень отзывчивый. Был низкий гул после монтажа поворотной платформы так называемый продавец, чтобы выяснить, я не снимал двигатель доставка винты, которые исправили проблему.
это звучит замечательно ..
я прочитал отзывы, которые сказали, двигатель немного шумный, грохочущий через воспроизведение и прочее подобное. Я могу сказать, что моя стоит мертвая тишина. Даже с громкость вверх я не мог слышать мотора через динамики даже в мертвом пространстве между треками. Если я толкнул мое ухо вплотную к краю плинтуса с двигателя я едва слышал его. Но без физического подключения мой череп до плинтуса я не слышал даже намека на шум от мотора. Я бы сказал, что это совсем неплохо для проигрывателя начального уровня.<БР />
я бы рекомендовал это всем, кто хочет получить (задняя) на виниле, не тратя много денег. Сходить с ума по дороге с подъемами, если вы чувствуете необходимость, или продать ее и сделать модель более высокого класса. В любом случае я бы не колеблясь, чтобы купить 2.3.пядь>
я получил один из них на закрытия за $225, и я был потрясен тем, насколько хороший уровень записи таблиц получили! Это шикарно...не игрушка, не дешевки. У них есть компания Ortofon OM10 (перепод маркой как мелодию II) и установлены неподвижно на....не возиться с этим надо. Перейдем к делу. Эта вещь звучит гораздо лучше, чем все, что рядом с цена, которую я получил его для. Это звучит так хорошо, как очень популярный дебютный проект углерод? Самое семейное сходство не вызывает сомнений-очевидно, что проект делает это устройство для концертного зала. Я держу пари, что он делает, или, может быть, даже лучше, потому что они являются одной и той же таблице с 2 потенциально важные различия: 1.)Тонарм на этот блок с четырьмя точками подвеса-не более 2 пт. кардан как и на дебютном углерода. Все в равных условиях, это более точный инструмент, который имеет потенциал извлечения более подробно из пазов. 2.)Пожалуй, корзины OM10 на этот стол более нейтральное звучание...просто мое мнение.
В зависимости от того, кто вы в итоге, вы не будете разочарованы со звуком, выглядит и качество сборки этих таблиц.
это очень хорошее время для любителей винила...Темные времена 90-х как дурной сон сейчас. Хотела бы я купил два из этих, по цене я получил его для.
этот блок был куплен через Amazon, но проданы и отправлены аудио-советник ---авторизованного дилера-- и они были потрясающие и отзывчивые с предварительной покупкой и после покупки поддержку и советы. Когда я написал им про патрон звучание немного "резкие" в верхних средних частот, вместо того, чтобы продавать мне новый картридж или мат, они сказали мне, чтобы позволить ему прорваться в одних и пусть кантилевер немного отдохнуть - и это действительно все, что нужно. Они получают 5 звезд, тоже !пядь>
это был бриз, чтобы настроить из коробки, даже для относительного новичка, как я.
на кошму это хорошо, но я бы однозначно рекомендовать переход на пробковый коврик, так как он очень хорошо работает с этим.
и жил с этим в течение почти 4 месяцев и никаких жалоб.пядь>
я может скоро пойду на акриловый диск, как мое любопытство вызывает его. Это руководство проигрывателя, нет автоматической функции, так что это простой, но правильный. Запуск звука через трубки предусилителя, усилителя СС, и просто кэф коэнзимом Q10 для настройки и сладко!пядь>
этот стол является частью чистого КТ 88 система пробки сигналят в 1978 Клипш LaScalas.пядь>
mmf 2.3 является, вероятно, недавнее развитие mmf 2.2. Но мне все равно. Тип имеет небольшие размеры и тонкий цена были тогда. Немецкие отзывов почти нет, но люди в Англии написали Позитивного права для этого. И надо сказать, через некоторое время Einspielens hört на Маленький, очень хорошо. Старые пластинки звучат на моей системе действительно здорово. Звукоснимателей-это хорошо. (Всегда ценовой диапазон, имейте в виду.) B—sse голосов, средних и Höhen приятно подобраны. Für den начинающих снова я бросаю в винил абсолютно o. k. Для субъективного улучшения звука, ни бык Wooden. Для этого у меня установлен дополнительный Отзыв. Ах да, токарь тоже хорошо выглядит, шикарный дизайн с рояльным лаком и аккуратный чепец.
минусы есть но. Из Tonarm довольно легко и вестисьöРиге конструкция кажется немного чувствительны. Für &Mdash;изменение скорости должен быть накинут ремень и dafür затем снять тарелку. Ну да, 45-е диски höre не могу так часто.
Так что в целом я доволен покупкой.
- + Соотношение цена - качество.
Полностью механический.
Ничего лишнего.
Возможность апгрейда. - - Несьемный провод RCA.
Отсутствие автоматики - повышение качества других компонентов. (В приделах своей ценовой категории).
По конструктиву аналогичен проигрывателям Pro-ject.
- + Честно отрабатывает заявленные характеристики.
Внешний вид.
Отсутствие лишних приблуд.
Вынесенное питание.
Хорошая подвеска опор - вполне прилично гасит внешние воздействия на опорную поверхность. - - Не могу сказать что не оправдало ожидания, но есть нюансы. Раздражает крепление крышки - постоянно ослабевает, временами появляется скрип.
"Родные" мат и головка полный отстой - заменил сразу же. В общем когда брал на это и рассчитывал. Несъемный кабель - это пожалуй самый большой минус.
Один раз послушал...
- + 1. отличный звук
2. прост в управлении
3. кнопка вкл удобно расположена сверху стола
4. великолепная отделка - - 1. 3 ноги у стола, хотя по инструкции 4. может опрокинутся если приложить усилие
2. ключ скоростей можно потерять, хочется убрать его в ячеечку...
- + Простой.Легко и понятно настраивается,много видео-информации в интернете.
- - Главный недостаток,это цена.За плиту из из дешёвого материала,с гудящим моторчиком(отчётливо слышен в паузах),с хорошо сделанным но явно недорогим тонармом с сыромятными проволочками,дешёвым опорным подшипником и стальным штампованным диском.
- + Простой.Легко и понятно настраивается,много видео-информации в инете.
- - Главный недостаток,это цена.За плиту из МДФа,с гудящим моторчиком(отчётливо слышен в паузах),с хорошо сделанным но явно недорогим тонармом с сыромятными проволочками,дешёвым опорным подшипником из цветмета,35990РУБЛЕЙ?!!!
- + Отличный проигрыватель с возможностью апгрейда
- - Ну если только через пластинку менять 33/3 об. на 45 об. - наверное...
- + Простая надежная конструкция. Высокое качество изготовления. Простота настройк. Чистое полно кровное звучание. Большие...
Received the MMF, black, and it looks fantastic - artistic really. Took me about 40 minutes for setup, which was not difficult - just being careful. Some reviewers have complained about the skating mechanism being difficult to hang - I had no such issue.
As far as build, the plinth seems solid enough – very well done paint / lacquer job. The platter is great – a heavy alloy. The felt platter mat is unimpressive. I didn't bother to test it and went straight to a leather mat (no complaints on the leather mat). Some MMF components interestingly enough are from Pro-Ject. The belt looks thin, but as I looked at other pics of different turntable belts, it seems comparable. The fit around the sub-platter seemed a little loose – I was a little concerned this being my 1st purchase of this type of thing. Again, no complaints. Turntable is as quiet as can be; the spin rate is just fine (at least at 33).
Hooked it through the pre-amp, and here's the part the audiophiles will hang me for, connected the pre-amp thru a Bluetooth transmitter. The BT tx then went out to a BT ready a/v receiver which is wired to a Polk SurroundBar 50. I'm not an audiophile, but can tell the difference between junk, good and great. That being said, I tested 4 tracks across a 50 year old Elvis album and a newly premastered Dean Martin album. (KISS and Michael Jackson will come later.)
My music choices, heavy on the vocals, sounded smooth and clean. No sign of hisses or static even at higher volumes. All the pieces of the MMF (cartridge, turntable spin, alleged vibration dampening feet, etc.) and the complimentary components (cables, pre-amp and bluetooth) worked together better than I'd hoped. No discernible compression with the BT. I'm curious to hear something heavier on the instrumentals – back to that KISS lp or even something symphonic.
I don't know if the new vinyl thing is just a fad or what, but this is a solid turntable – good quality, easy to use and a great room piece. No reason to give less than 5 stars yet. If I had an old vinyl collection and a busted phonograph, I might go for a $100+ solution and buy an Electrohome (low end but gets good reviews), but the MMF 2.2 was a good choice for me. I may be back in a couple months with updates based on different music and hours played.
I tried the MMF 2.2 with a Marantz 5.1 system, and then with an Onkyo 2.1 receiver in a different room (on different mains). I tried two different pre-amps (TCC TC750L and the better NAD PP2e), and I also tried direct connection to the Onkyo's Phono inputs. I connected the ground wire from the MMF correctly in all instances either to the preamps or to the Onkyo direct. I even tried an isolation transformer. No matter what I did in trying to chase down what I at first thought was a ground loop problem, the buzz was present. It increased with volume and also increased if I touched the turntable's RCA cables (by this I mean just touching the casing, not the ends, while everything was plugged in). The buzz diminished in volume when stylus touched record, but was still audible during play, and any touching of the center pin/spindle caused an audible pop or crackle. I emailed Music Hall customer service by email who suggested this sounded like a wiring problem, and they recommended I send it in for repair (it was not clear to me from the email thread whether they were going to arrange the repair, or if I were supposed to just ship in and then forward an invoice to...someone? for reimbursement?). In the end, I elected to return to avoid further hassle with a new-but-defective turntable! I am appreciative to Amazon for the return option, as I do not like to return items unless there truly is an insurmountable issue. I paid $360, which would have been an outstanding deal had there been no buzz.
For context, my starter turntable was a 1990 all-in-one Panasonic stereo/cassette/tuner/turntable, followed only recently by the Audiotechnica LP60 which does not even begin to compare with the MMF 2.2. Again, apart from the buzz issue, the Music Hall's sound was great, especially coupled to the NAD PP2e preamp. Stevie Ray Vaughn, Johnny Cash, the Eagles, and the Rolling Stones all sounded excellent - clear and crisp. Records that skipped on the Audiotechnica played smoothly on the Music Hall. Sadly, the buzz was obviously a complete deal breaker - I just couldn't get past it! Every break in the music, every gap between songs or records, and there it was. I'd considered the Rega RP1 and Pro-Ject systems (the Music Hall MMF 2.2 uses a Pro-Ject arm), but given these are all made in the same factory as I understand it, I now use a Denon DP-300F with the Ortofon Blue cartridge - it's far from perfect either, but at least there's no hum.
I got the Music Hall pre-amp to go with it, and I got the Pro-Ject cork mat for it.
I would not advise anyone to do what one of the reviewers did, which is to bend the wire hanger for the anti-skating weight. It really is a matter of the fishing line having a twist to it from its being tied, and if it wants to jump off the little notched pin, then just turn it over so you get a 180 degree reversal on the loop twist, hopefully being more complaint with the angle of the pin. Once you get it on there and it will stay, then it will adjust itself naturally over time to where it will stay put even while moving the unit around quite vigorously.
As for setting it up, there is a procedure described in the instructions to get the counterweight for the tone arm balanced, and if you are very careful, you can get it pretty well dialed in. But how would I know that? Well, I bought a 20 gram electronic scale, and I weighed it. I measured exactly how high above the main body of the turntable the needle sits on the record, then took the platter off and got the scale at that height, sitting on the body where the needle would be playing the beginning of an LP. It was really close to the recommended weight for that cartridge. But to get it exactly, of course you really need to use a scale, in my opinion. There was a device that came with the turntable that is a sort of balance scale but to me it was hard to use and it gives you numbers like what are on the weight part that you turn to set the balance, rather than actual grams.
I have had my turntable for about 2 months and am very happy with how it has performed, tracking some kind-of bad records without jumping the groove or anything.
It is so much fun breaking out the old LPs
What I like best about it:
1: The supplied cartridge is nice and neutral. It is easily the equal of a Shure M97 or equivalent. It is neither bright or dull and has very good bass response. Requires only a short break-in period to come alive. Also, it has been virtually indestructible in my klutzy hands.
2: The tonearm is a nice dual gimbaled design that has no friction that I can feel. It will track anything, as my warped Beatles reissues have proven. My example came perfectly aligned and produces absolutely no inner groove distortion. A very nice arm at this price point.
3: Very vibration resistant. No feedback at all.
4: Very nice downward cueing. Not too fast or too slow. No drift side to side.
5: No noise issues. No rumble, no hum, no clicks.
6: It looks awesome, if you are into the classy Spartan look. I know you can't hear that, but still nice.
7: Nice dustcover that can be removed easily when playing records. And reinstalls easily also.
8: Very easy to get level with the easily adjustable feet, and it stays level.
9: Decent quality cables and ground wire.
10: Very nice soundstage. Instruments and vocal are where they were meant to be.
What I don't like:
1: Fully manual, you are its servant, not the other way around.
2: Cheap looking and gritchy feeling on/off switch. But has presented no problems.
3: Wish the RCA cables detached in the rear instead of wired internally.
4: The standard felt mat is a joke. I bought a Pro-Ject IT cork mat from the UK, and could not be happier. It reduced static in the winter and improved the bass response. Did not increase bass, but made it more consistent.
5: Wall transformer power supply. But at least you can easily unplug it when not in use.
6: Up cueing need to be damped, it is a bit abrupt.
From my POV their is a lot more to like than dislike. And the Pro-Ject Debut III or Carbon equivalent would be very similar. If you buy any modern belt drive table and have speed issues, turn it on and let it spin for at least 24 hours to break in the bearing and then relube. Made a world of difference on mine and my friends Rega RP-1. But 99% of the time any speed issues could be traced back to the album being off center. In the past I have owned a BIC 960, Dual 1219 and still have a Technic's Linear track, and I enjoy this table more than any of those listed. It just sounds better overall. No glaring weaknesses.
Update: June 23, 2013
Have owned it now for 2 years. Still very impressed with the quality/value ratio. I have had zero problems with the table. Everything functions as new. Have used in the vicinity of 750 hours. I replaced the stylus with a Made in Japan by Nagaoka aftermarket replacement. It sounds even better than the original. Last December I gave myself a Christmas gift of the Pro-ject Speed Box S. It has made the table even better. It can now play my 45's without switching the belt to the larger pulley. Also it has enhanced the speed stability of the platter's rotation, as the reference voltage is now quartz locked. Think of it as a quartz-locked belt drive. I have seen no negatives to adding the Speed Box. If Music Hall ever updates this TT the only suggestion would be to add a end of record arm lift.
Update May 29, 2014
Have moved up a couple of steps in the turntable arena, so on Memorial Day I sold my MMF 2.2 to a new proud owner. After 3 years I still have only good things to say about this table. The Music Hall IMO is still the best new Turntable in this price range. Thanks Roy Hall for 3 great years of tunes, with zero problems.
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Slightly inconvenient to change speed from 33rpm to 45rpm, but if you want to play albums predominantly this wil not be an issue for you.
UPDATE: I was able, with a magnifying glass, tweezers and much patience, to successfully tie a new loop on the hair-thin filament after only a few hours. When I did get it on, it hung right in place. I tried out the table and I was amazed. It sounds so good. I put on some old DG Beethoven recordings, a new 180g reissue of Kraftwerk Computer World and a 90's pressing of Peter Gabriel's Passion lp. All were clean and rich. This is a quality machine and I know it will enhance my listening pleasure immensely for a long time. Four stars with the deduction for the trouble.
There are still a few what are in my book are design flaws- first is this filament. I know it's a weight issue but some kind of stop should be placed on both ends of the filament to prevent an accidental pull through like happened to me. I also don't understand how something that is seemingly so well engineered could be rendered useless by such a flimsy mechanism. I don't know if heavier gauge line would help but it probably couldn't be threaded through the upper opening anyway. This is my first hanging weight anti-skate and it just seems very vulnerable. Second is the fact that in order to change speeds from 33 to 45, one must remove the platter and slip the belt around the 45 speed capstan from the 33 one. This seems unnecessarily complicated just to play some 45's. I don't propose to have a solution here but it was not a feature that is spoken of in the literature. The description of "2 Speed TT" implies it will run at both speeds easily. This makes it hard, especially if you want to switch back and forth so I will probably keep my old Pioneer PL-500 hooked up to play different speed records. Lastly as one other reviewer mentioned, the felt mat is a joke. Why they cheap out here I don't know when they manufacture a perfectly good cork mat (albeit a 50.00 one).
that I, at risk of offending 'The Man', will attempt to use it here. This Absolutely Beautiful Creature is such a damned Bargain right out of the box that
it's not even funny. No wonder Music Hall can't make enough of them, even in a global recession! The 'Tracker' Cartridge, virgin and new out of the box absolutely kicked my A** with the fidelity it was pulling out of vinyl. If you've been reading alot of turntable reviews you might know me from the review I did on the Audio Technica ATLP120-USB That I bought on Amazon a couple of years ago. Well, that turntable far exceeded my expectations and I had a lot of fun with it. That being said, when I was done with my 78 project I decided to try one of these 'New Generation' Turntables-at a lot more $ than I've previously shelled out on turntables, which back in the day might have been a whoppin $125 MAX! So is shelling out $500 for this 'Entry Level' Audiophile Turntable worth it? In one word....YES. Even though, compared to the mighty old 'classics', the MMF2.2le and regular edition MMF2.2, might at first seem like we're going backwards, heck, where is the 'S' shaped tonearm, where is the fully automatic or semi automatic features so I don't have to get off my arse and shut the player down, but what we actually have here is the art and science of vinyl reproduction settling into what it should be-if taken seriously. The lesson is: if you want CONVENIENCE, then stick with cd's or mp3's. But if you instead think/like the way music is reproduced on the vinyl format, then you'll just have to re-jig your thinking just a little bit here. Roy Hall, who runs Music Hall, is a cool dude, and he's also really into music. His company did studies and found that adding any 'auto' functions to a turntable also added to coloration/noise coming out of the needle. And I have to say with my personal experience that this is true. Even with high end Pioneer turntables of the day (PL550 etc/Marantz/Denon) I did hear a 'thumping' noise as the needle was getting closer to the center label, the 'tripping' mechanism for the automatic lifter interfering with the tonearm and it DID make noise out of the speakers! So his decision early on was to concentrate on turntables that just PLAYED MUSIC. So if manually changing a belt from one pulley point to another is a hassle, then these turntables are not for you. Again, a Great choice is the AudioTechnia ATLP120. It did those things at the push of a button. But we're dealing with a different level of listening to music here. And I for one, LIKE to interact with my audio equipment. Cd's have bored the hell out of me over the last 10 years with all the 'Loudness' mastering and such that last year, when I bought the new 2010 Sony Jimi Hendrix Vinyl issues (and the MCA's from a few years back), I WAS LITERALLY BLOWN AWAY BY WHAT WAS COMING OFF THE NEW VINYL! (sorry for the cap's but It's the only way to emphasize the point). Hence my enthusiasm for this 'new generation' table. But also, Roy Hall and his company have brought back the fun in this hobby because you can upgrade certain parts of the turntable if you want, and I want. I upgraded the stock platter to a stunning looking Acrylic platter that just makes this thing look like a million bucks! And also, if you don't want to manually change the belt to go from 33 to 45 rpm, you can buy a quartz locked outboard motor power supply (Cruise Control 2) that not only allows you to change speeds at the push of a button but also gives you pitch control for us who like to collect vinyl from the old hippie days that might have been mastered 'off speed', AND it controls the motor more precisely and even though the stock power supply was perfect, some say that the CC module makes the sound better. But the point is that this all brings the fun back into listening to records and that's what it's all about. So, I know that Pro-Ject and Rega both have a great name out in the market. But for ME, the Music Hall MMF gave me much more for the price than either the Pro-ject or Rega would. And being able to adjust the vertical tracking angle IS a useful tool if you want to go with another cartridge or the Acryl-It platter, and the low end Rega's don't give you that option. All in all, the MMF is worth the money and the sound you get out of it and the Tracker cartridge, is way beyond the older rigs I used to own. Is it the last turntable I'll own? Hell NO! LOL! I'm looking at going all out for my 55th birthday and getting the MMF 7.1 Turntable in the future. But I'll keep this Beautiful 2,2le as my 'go to' deck for the near future. I hope this helps anyone who's wondering if it's worth $500 to spend on this deck. Yes, it is!
Happy Listening and thank you Roy Hall and all at Music Hall & Pro-Ject.
Gerard Masters
The thing I improved right away was the felt platter mat, which appeared pretty cheap-looking to me. I replaced it with a Music Hall cork board platter mat.






